Thank you for the post replies so far. Definitely a mix of tech and non-tech responses here. Lessons learned, and luckily I have other offers so this won't make me homeless or anything like that. Will ask this question to the tech group tomorrow just for the sake of discussion and so someone else can learn from my mistakes. But I know what I should avoid/do better in my next negotiations! Thank you to the 1 idiot (lol, 250k views, 1k+ comments, and you were the only one), the rest of you were harsh but appropriately and I probably deserved a harsh response to remember. :)
Just trying to learn what mistake I made...
location: Toronto, Canada.
me: 3 years of professional experience (internship, startup). 2 years as Lead Developer at a startup, 1 year of internship. MSc degree on big data related project (source code is public, demo website is also public, pretty innovative approach to handling big data). Nothing too complex, but still cool project where I was doing everything from design to development to server config.
company: startup with 15 employees. No idea about funding status (offer withdrawn rather than give me this answer). Dev team has 5 devs.
job: full stack developer, 3 years of professional experience, MSc degree, experience with front-end, back-end, some Android and iOS experience would be an asset.
Offer: here's a summary of what happened in series, emails were professional and courteous (I've worked in a formal office environment).
- Company: what is your salary expectation?
- Me: I've made 70k before
- Company: when did you get this? we don't see anything on your resume that would pay this (note: lead position is listed there)
- Me: as a lead developer at last company (startup, linked to the company website)
- Company: here's our offer:
* base salary: 75k
* hours: min 40 hrs, but variable as needed to accomplish the goals
* benefits: 80% dental and vision, 3 week vacation, 10 sick days
* can't have side business
* 1 month notice required from me
* company can end employment as per province of Ontario's notice period laws
* 3 month probation period
- Me: Could I get more details on the dental and vision plan, and could we up the number to 90k? (note: I was looking for some movement up)
- Company: 75k is max we can do, at 90k we would look for someone with intermediate level experience. (note: every company I've interviewed with has put me in intermediate category, 2/5 interviews have been for senior positions BASED ON RESUME AFTER I applied for a non-senior position)
- Me: 75k is fine, I'm looking for a long-term opportunity. May I get answers to the following Qs:
would you agree to flex scheduling or work from home on some days? I am okay with 40+ hrs required, but I would prefer some flexibility here to run occational errands or workout etc.
Will company provide dev computer, or will I use my own? (note: there was a clause in the contract that was talking about equipment so I asked...)
Can I bundle sick days and vacation as 'paid time off'
there is a mistake in the contract clause (country should be canada)
Given the 1 month resignation notice from me, could you match that from your side? (note: ontario laws require 1 week notice per year of employemnt, so it would have taken 4 years for me to get a 1 month termination notice/pay)
Is the company a privately held or seed/A/B/C funded?
- Company: we withdraw, expectations are too far off. best of luck in your search.
- Me: no problem, wish you the best in your search as well.
May be I made the following mistakes:
- Asking too much $?
- Mentioning working out?
- May be sick and vacation bundle is a red flag?
- Asking for details on the company funding?
- Asking 6 bullet point questions/consideration simultaneously? Is that bad enough to withdraw offer?
If someone could help me understand my mistake(s) I would appreciate it. I was seriously considering it as a job I can keep for 4-5 years when the CEO abruptly ended negotiations.
Submitted September 24, 2018 at 12:38PM by SpecialistWeb https://ift.tt/2Dsv74p
